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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] Bloody hackers
[I] Bloody hackers [message #280817] Do, 08 Juni 2006 21:12
Torak  
Is it illegal to hunt down bloody arse muppet bollocking sodding script
bloody kiddie hacker buggering bastards and pound them to very small
bits with a large halibut?

I'm getting three intrusion attempts a minute, all from different IP
addresses, mostly resolving to France, Spain and China. Presumably it's
safe to assume that there are a few bounces beyond that.

Is there any way of conclusively tracing them and bringing them to book?
Or just keeping the buggers out automatically without having to CLICK
THAT BLOODY POPUP EVERY BLOODY TIME THE BLOODY BUGGERS TRY TO BLOODY GET
IN?!?!?!


Hrm.

Sorry. "Allow Always (Recommended)" got the better of me for a moment.

If I remembered how that WinNuke stuff worked, and if I could be sure I
had the end-of-the-line IP address of the little arses...
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280831 ] Do, 08 Juni 2006 21:30
Brenda  
Torak said:

> If I remembered how that WinNuke stuff worked,

It worked by sending an OOB (Out-Of-Band) packet - i.e. "urgent" data - to
the victim. Under early Win32 versions (95, I think 98 too), Windows
responded to the urgency in the only way it knew how - by crashing.

M$ fixed that little problem in later bugfixes - er, I mean versions, so you
are probably out of luck, unless they are seriously retro kinds of people.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280869 ] Do, 08 Juni 2006 23:05
raltbos  
Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> Is it illegal to hunt down bloody arse muppet bollocking sodding script
> bloody kiddie hacker buggering bastards and pound them to very small
> bits with a large halibut?
>
> I'm getting three intrusion attempts a minute,

Oi!

That's a cracker, mate, not a hacker.

> Is there any way of conclusively tracing them and bringing them to book?
> Or just keeping the buggers out automatically without having to CLICK
> THAT BLOODY POPUP EVERY BLOODY TIME THE BLOODY BUGGERS TRY TO BLOODY GET
> IN?!?!?!

Yeah, get a real firewall.

> Hrm.
>
> Sorry. "Allow Always (Recommended)" got the better of me for a moment.

Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.

Richard
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280878 ] Do, 08 Juni 2006 23:20
mcv  
Richard Bos <raltbos [at] xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is it illegal to hunt down bloody arse muppet bollocking sodding script
>> bloody kiddie hacker buggering bastards and pound them to very small
>> bits with a large halibut?
>>
>> I'm getting three intrusion attempts a minute,
>
> Oi!
>
> That's a cracker, mate, not a hacker.

Most likely it's just a script kiddie. Even lower than a cracker (who
rate somewhere between slime and scum, on average).


mcv.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280910 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 00:31
Torak  
Richard Bos wrote:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Is it illegal to hunt down bloody arse muppet bollocking sodding script
>>bloody kiddie hacker buggering bastards and pound them to very small
>>bits with a large halibut?
>>
>>I'm getting three intrusion attempts a minute,
>
>
> Oi!
>
> That's a cracker, mate, not a hacker.

Yeah, fair point. "Irritating arse muppet", however, stands.

>>Is there any way of conclusively tracing them and bringing them to book?
>>Or just keeping the buggers out automatically without having to CLICK
>>THAT BLOODY POPUP EVERY BLOODY TIME THE BLOODY BUGGERS TRY TO BLOODY GET
>>IN?!?!?!
>
> Yeah, get a real firewall.

Or a halibut.

>>Hrm.
>>
>>Sorry. "Allow Always (Recommended)" got the better of me for a moment.
>
>
> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.

Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if I
didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton licence... ;-)
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280920 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 00:47
Rgemini  
Torak wrote:
> Richard Bos wrote:

>> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>
> Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if I
> didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton licence... ;-)

My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time
to time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair
of tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.

You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you
can use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus package.
There are other examples of both types of product.

Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.

regards
Rgemini
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280924 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 01:01
Nigel Stapley  
Rgemini wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>> Richard Bos wrote:
>
>>> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>
>> Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if
>> I didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton
>> licence... ;-)
>
> My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time
> to time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair
> of tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.
>
> You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you
> can use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus package.
> There are other examples of both types of product.
>
> Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.

I'm using Sygate Personal Firewall. It certainly works, as according to
the Shields Up" tool (www.grc.com), my system is as tight as a
kangaroo's khyber.

(Unfortunately, Sygate was bought recently by N*rt*n, who promptly
removed all traces that Sygate had ever existed, no doubt in order to
promote their own bloatware.

Avast! AV (www.avast.com) is very good. I've used it for over two years
(since bad experiences with later versions of Norton AV).


--
Regards

Nigel Stapley

www.judgemental.plus.com

<reply-to will bounce>
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280932 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 01:47
Steve Rogers  
"Rgemini" <royOMIT.ayresCAPITAL [at] dsl.LETTERSpipex.com> wrote in message
news:O9KdnW1iSuCBNBXZRVnyhw [at] pipex.net...
> Torak wrote:
>> Richard Bos wrote:
>
>>> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>
>> Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if
>> I didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton
>> licence... ;-)
>
> My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time
> to time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair
> of tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear
> out.
>
> You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you
> can use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus
> package. There are other examples of both types of product.
>

I'd go for ZoneAlarm if I were you and upgrade to the full suite when
you get a chance it has built in AV and Anti spyware & it has a small
footprint compared to a lot of others, Norton included. Don't rely on
Win XP's sieve at all.

Steve
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280940 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 02:10
Aggie Angst  
"Rgemini" <royOMIT.ayresCAPITAL [at] dsl.LETTERSpipex.com> wrote in message
news:O9KdnW1iSuCBNBXZRVnyhw [at] pipex.net...
> Torak wrote:
>> Richard Bos wrote:
>
>>> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>
>> Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if I
>> didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton licence...
>> ;-)
>
> My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time to
> time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair of
> tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.
>
> You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you can
> use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus package. There
> are other examples of both types of product.
>
> Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.
>
> regards
> Rgemini

I had Zone Alarm and AVG on my old computer and was very happy with both.
The new puter came with PC-cillin on it and seems to be working fine. All
Zone Alarm ever asked of me was to read an occaisonal email when they tried
to sell me something.
:)
Aggie
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280951 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 03:22
exquisite witch peach  
Aggie Angst wrote:

> "Rgemini" <royOMIT.ayresCAPITAL [at] dsl.LETTERSpipex.com> wrote in message
> news:O9KdnW1iSuCBNBXZRVnyhw [at] pipex.net...
>
>>Torak wrote:
>>
>>>Richard Bos wrote:
>>
>>>>Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>>
>>>Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if I
>>>didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton licence...
>>>;-)
>>
>>My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time to
>>time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair of
>>tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.
>>
>>You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you can
>>use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus package. There
>>are other examples of both types of product.
>>
>>Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.
>>
>>regards
>>Rgemini
>
>
> I had Zone Alarm and AVG on my old computer and was very happy with both.
> The new puter came with PC-cillin on it and seems to be working fine. All
> Zone Alarm ever asked of me was to read an occaisonal email when they tried
> to sell me something.
> :)
> Aggie
>
>

You know, I tried to switch to AVG, but I never could make it
compatible with my email. When it was turned on, I couldn't connect
with my mail server.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280985 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 09:43
jester  
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:22:45 GMT, peachy ashie passion
<exquisitepeach [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You know, I tried to switch to AVG, but I never could make it
>compatible with my email. When it was turned on, I couldn't connect
>with my mail server.

And that's the safest you've ever been from email-carried worms and other
malware.
8-)

--
Andy Brown
Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #280990 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 10:25
Torak  
Rgemini wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
>> Richard Bos wrote:
>
>
>>> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>
>>
>> Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if
>> I didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton
>> licence... ;-)
>
>
> My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time
> to time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair
> of tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.

I'd quite fancy a pair of tartan flares, actually... ;-)

> You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you
> can use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus package.
> There are other examples of both types of product.
>
> Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.

Myeah... ah well, my system's due for a reformat/reinstall soon anyway.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281036 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 13:23
naomi  
Rgemini wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>> Richard Bos wrote:
>
>>> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>
>> Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if
>> I didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton
>> licence... ;-)
>
> My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time
> to time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair
> of tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.
>
> You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you
> can use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus package.
> There are other examples of both types of product.
>
> Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.
>
> regards
> Rgemini


My husband says he fixes people's computers by removing Norton :P

We use Zone Alarm and AVG(the free versions) and also spy bot. I don't
know about any of the technical stuff but so far we haven't had any
viruses or incursions. There is a page in Zone Alarm i go to to see what
has been blocked (ie a lot). I also know to update every time I'm online
but you can set it up to update automatically and I scan once a week.

n.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281037 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 13:26
Torak  
naomi wrote:
> Rgemini wrote:
>
>> Torak wrote:
>>
>>> Richard Bos wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if
>>> I didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton
>>> licence... ;-)
>>
>>
>> My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time
>> to time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair
>> of tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.
>>
>> You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you
>> can use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus
>> package. There are other examples of both types of product.
>>
>> Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.
>>
>> regards
>> Rgemini
>
>
>
> My husband says he fixes people's computers by removing Norton :P
>
> We use Zone Alarm and AVG(the free versions) and also spy bot. I don't
> know about any of the technical stuff but so far we haven't had any
> viruses or incursions. There is a page in Zone Alarm i go to to see what
> has been blocked (ie a lot). I also know to update every time I'm online
> but you can set it up to update automatically and I scan once a week.

Never liked Spybot. For that I use Spyware Doctor, which was rated very
highly in PC Pro. And it certainly seems to do the job; I'm well pleased
with it.

But yeah, I'm giving ZA and AVG some serious consideration now.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281039 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 13:39
Flesh-eating Dragon  
peachy ashie passion wrote:

> You know, I tried to switch to AVG, but I never could make it compatible
> with my email. When it was turned on, I couldn't connect with my mail server.

FWIW, the anti-virus product I use is VET. http://www.vet.com.au

Adrian.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281043 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 14:01
Steve Rogers  
"Torak" <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MVcig.1800$YI3.297 [at] amstwist00...
> naomi wrote:
>> Rgemini wrote:
>>
>>> Torak wrote:
>>>
>>>> Richard Bos wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And
>>>> if I didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton
>>>> licence... ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from
>>> time to time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg
>>> a pair of tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until
>>> they wear out.
>>>
>>> You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP
>>> you can use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus
>>> package. There are other examples of both types of product.
>>>
>>> Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Rgemini
>>
>>
>>
>> My husband says he fixes people's computers by removing Norton :P
>>
>> We use Zone Alarm and AVG(the free versions) and also spy bot. I
>> don't know about any of the technical stuff but so far we haven't had
>> any viruses or incursions. There is a page in Zone Alarm i go to to
>> see what has been blocked (ie a lot). I also know to update every
>> time I'm online but you can set it up to update automatically and I
>> scan once a week.
>
> Never liked Spybot. For that I use Spyware Doctor, which was rated
> very highly in PC Pro. And it certainly seems to do the job; I'm well
> pleased with it.
>

Best keep an eye on the results Spyware Doctor returns, currently it has
a high false positive rate if you block known bad sites via the Hosts
file or in the Restricted Zone for IE, they don't seem to like reports
of this either. Not a bad thing as such but something to be aware of as
it is a fairly good product otherwise, doesn't catch all but then none
of the current crop can be said to which is why it is best to have 2 or
3 others available to use.

> But yeah, I'm giving ZA and AVG some serious consideration now.

Go for it, if you can afford it ZoneAlarm Security Suite is the one to
aim for as I've said before - a hell of a lot more control and filtering
options.

Steve
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281052 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 14:37
CeltiKaos  
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:01:08 +0100, Steve Rogers wrote:

> Best keep an eye on the results Spyware Doctor returns, currently it has a
> high false positive rate if you block known bad sites via the Hosts file
> or in the Restricted Zone for IE, they don't seem to like reports of this
> either. Not a bad thing as such but something to be aware of as it is a
> fairly good product otherwise, doesn't catch all but then none of the
> current crop can be said to which is why it is best to have 2 or 3 others
> available to use.
>
>> But yeah, I'm giving ZA and AVG some serious consideration now.

I use Zone Alarm Pro (home network), AVG (free version), WinPatrol,
Registry Mechanic, Ewido and Spyware S&D. [1]

Might be overkill as I also have a hardware firewall on the router, but I
worked in ISP Tech Support for 7 years and I have an aversion to
reinstalling every five minutes because some smartar$e has hacked into my
system and dumped a Trojan on me.

Kind regards,

Julian

[1] When I'm not running Linux that is, as I am now :)
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281061 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 15:09
Steve Rogers  
"CeltiKaos" <lists [at] pratchett.removethatbit.kaotic.co.uk> wrote in
message
news:pan.2006.06.09.12.37.04.124952 [at] pratchett.removethatbit.kaotic.co.uk...
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:01:08 +0100, Steve Rogers wrote:
>
>> Best keep an eye on the results Spyware Doctor returns, currently it
>> has a
>> high false positive rate if you block known bad sites via the Hosts
>> file
>> or in the Restricted Zone for IE, they don't seem to like reports of
>> this
>> either. Not a bad thing as such but something to be aware of as it
>> is a
>> fairly good product otherwise, doesn't catch all but then none of the
>> current crop can be said to which is why it is best to have 2 or 3
>> others
>> available to use.
>>
>>> But yeah, I'm giving ZA and AVG some serious consideration now.
>
> I use Zone Alarm Pro (home network), AVG (free version), WinPatrol,
> Registry Mechanic, Ewido and Spyware S&D. [1]
>

Hah I see your list and raise you to overkill:

ZoneAlarm Security Suite, AVG, SpyBot S&D, Adaware SE personal edition,
Pest Patrol, Spyware Doctor, Spyware Guard, Avorax, Treewalk DNS, The
Promoxitron, Mailwasher Pro, Script Defender, Assasin, MS Anitspyware
(okay but intrusive at times as still only the beta), Spyware Blaster,
InstallSpy, RootKit Hool Analyser, HiJack This, MS Shared Computer
Toolkit (well worth having), HostMan, SpoofStick, Harden-It, Start-Up
Mechanic, Registry Mechanic, Phishguard plus a number of others that I
can't be bothered to look up as I've to be out the door in a few.

Obviously not all running at once and a lot are free versions, but as a
regular check they cover most if not all of what is out there at present
or at least allows me to ditch something without relying on possibly
corrupt restore points and block things with little trouble.

Also setting up own ftp and mail servers but they will now probably wait
until after the move and we are settled in.

Ain't nothing getting an easy ride onto the machines here. Next
purchase a hardware firewall as I tend to agree with....

> Might be overkill as I also have a hardware firewall on the router,
> but I
> worked in ISP Tech Support for 7 years and I have an aversion to
> reinstalling every five minutes because some smartar$e has hacked into
> my
> system and dumped a Trojan on me.

Same here plus protection from the everyone's (including visitors)
browsing habits and protection for the kids.

Steve
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281065 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 15:20
exquisite witch peach  
jester wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:22:45 GMT, peachy ashie passion
> <exquisitepeach [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You know, I tried to switch to AVG, but I never could make it
>>compatible with my email. When it was turned on, I couldn't connect
>>with my mail server.
>
>
> And that's the safest you've ever been from email-carried worms and other
> malware.
> 8-)
>

Well yes.

Also safe from my friends, family, and the assorted chain jokes that
are supposed to come my way, as well as my email subscription to the
daily paper.

But dang, was I Safe!
Re: [I] Bloody crackers [message #281075 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 16:08
Gideon Hallett  
Torak wrote:

> Richard Bos wrote:
>> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Is it illegal to hunt down bloody arse muppet bollocking sodding
>>>script bloody kiddie hacker buggering bastards and pound them to
>>>very small bits with a large halibut?
>>>
>>>I'm getting three intrusion attempts a minute,
>>
>>
>> Oi!
>>
>> That's a cracker, mate, not a hacker.
>
> Yeah, fair point. "Irritating arse muppet", however, stands.

'Kiddie' will do. It's a fair reflection of their skills.

There isn't really a lot you can do; if you notify ISPs, you will
find that the vast majority of ISPs simply don't do a thing about
such complaints.

(Telefonica and Deutsch Telekom are among the worst in this regards,
at least IME; I gave any amount of evidence to t-dialin about a
customer's compromised box and where the intruder came from; their
name, their email address, the IRC channels they were resident on,
and so forth. Their response was that they would do nothing unless
asked to by the German police.)

>>>Is there any way of conclusively tracing them and bringing them
>>>to book? Or just keeping the buggers out automatically without
>>>having to CLICK THAT BLOODY POPUP EVERY BLOODY TIME THE BLOODY
>>>BUGGERS TRY TO BLOODY GET IN?!?!?!
>>
>> Yeah, get a real firewall.

You can buy relatively cheap dedicated hardware firewalls with
comparatively non-sucky web-based front ends.

I'd recommend keeping your first line of defence outside your
computer if you have any choice in the matter; as a compromised
bastion host doesn't automatically mean a compromised PC; and
because specialised hardware tends to have all non-essential
functions turned off.

Alternatively, you can do what I do; an old computer (Compaq Deskpro
EN SFF) running a stripped-down-to-the-bones copy of Debian/stable
(or other OS of your choice).

These days, you can get a second- or third-hand working PC for not
much more than Norton; and you can make it work exactly the way you
want it, without the annoying and misconceived 'features' that
Norton has (like its hideous treatment of POP sessions).

cheers,

Gideon.

--
(((( | ====diogenes [at] freeuk.com.=========================|
o__))))) | - Bringing permed '70s-retro hedgehogs to the =|
__ \'((((( | common people since he got bored one afternoon. =|
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281076 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 16:16
Gideon Hallett  
Richard Heathfield wrote:

> Torak said:
>
>> If I remembered how that WinNuke stuff worked,
>
> It worked by sending an OOB (Out-Of-Band) packet - i.e. "urgent"
> data - to the victim. Under early Win32 versions (95, I think 98
> too), Windows responded to the urgency in the only way it knew how
> - by crashing.

However, people tend to think of things like ping-of-death
as 'winnuke' as well - and POD worked on Unices at the time as
well.

The best single simple remote-reset I've seen was Rain Forest
Puppy's RFParalyse - see
http://security-protocols.com/sploits/os/win/98/RFParalyze.c

(By sending a malformed SMB request to a Win9x machine, you could
crash it remotely. I believe it was used mainly to remove annoying
people from IRC.)

cheers,

Gideon.

--
(((( | ====diogenes [at] freeuk.com.=========================|
o__))))) | - Bringing permed '70s-retro hedgehogs to the =|
__ \'((((( | common people since he got bored one afternoon. =|
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281077 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 14:50
Brian Howlett  
On 9 Jun, 8'FED wrote:

> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>
>> You know, I tried to switch to AVG, but I never could make it compatible
>> with my email. When it was turned on, I couldn't connect with my mail
>> server.
>
> FWIW, the anti-virus product I use is VET. http://www.vet.com.au
>
When I'm using Windows, I use avast! AntiVirus, which is free for home
users.

http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html
--
Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen
------------------------------------------------------------ ------
Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted
line. He caught every other fish.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281086 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 16:52
Aggie Angst  
"peachy ashie passion" <exquisitepeach [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:F34ig.8655$PY6.8167 [at] trnddc05...
> Aggie Angst wrote:
>
>> "Rgemini" <royOMIT.ayresCAPITAL [at] dsl.LETTERSpipex.com> wrote in message
>> news:O9KdnW1iSuCBNBXZRVnyhw [at] pipex.net...
>>
>>>Torak wrote:
>>>
>>>>Richard Bos wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if I
>>>>didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton licence...
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>>My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time to
>>>time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair of
>>>tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.
>>>
>>>You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you can
>>>use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus package.
>>>There are other examples of both types of product.
>>>
>>>Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.
>>>
>>>regards
>>>Rgemini
>>
>>
>> I had Zone Alarm and AVG on my old computer and was very happy with both.
>> The new puter came with PC-cillin on it and seems to be working fine.
>> All Zone Alarm ever asked of me was to read an occaisonal email when they
>> tried to sell me something.
>> :)
>> Aggie
>
> You know, I tried to switch to AVG, but I never could make it compatible
> with my email. When it was turned on, I couldn't connect with my mail
> server.

If I still had AVG in front of me, I'd be happy to try and help though I
often think just because I'm willing to help doesn't mean I'm able. ;) Was
it long ago you tried this? Maybe they have an updated version. The only
other thing I can think of off-hand is that you possibly didn't fill in all
the little blanks like the one that asks for your password on connection?
Too bad you can't work it out. It really is a worthwhile service.

Aggie
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281087 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 16:55
Aggie Angst  
"naomi" <kittenkat [at] dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:44895a24$1 [at] news.comindico.com.au...
> Rgemini wrote:
>> Torak wrote:
>>> Richard Bos wrote:
>>
>>>> Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>>
>>> Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if I
>>> didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton licence...
>>> ;-)
>>
>> My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time to
>> time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair of
>> tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.
>>
>> You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you can
>> use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus package.
>> There are other examples of both types of product.
>>
>> Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.
>>
>> regards
>> Rgemini
>
>
> My husband says he fixes people's computers by removing Norton :P

My friend was having lots of problems with her computer and while I'm not a
computer wiz, I got it running again by taking the pre-installed Norton
products off. McAfee is not much better.

Aggie
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281089 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 17:51
CeltiKaos  
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:09:18 +0100, Steve Rogers wrote:

> Mailwasher Pro

I stopped using mailwasher Pro after;

1. Someone pointed out that if you letit bounce mail for you, the bounces
are noted as coming from *your IP* and not tat of a recognised MX, and so
it's logged by spammers as successful delivery. Quite the opposite of
what you want!

2. I now use Thunderbird which has quite tasty mail filtering anf Junk
Mail recognition.

Kind regards,

Julian

PS You're right about the overkill ;)
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281090 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 17:56
CeltiKaos  
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:16:34 +0100, Gideon Hallett wrote:

> The best single simple remote-reset I've seen was Rain Forest Puppy's
> RFParalyse - see
> http://security-protocols.com/sploits/os/win/98/RFParalyze.c
>

Best I ever saw at my old job was to give a customer a brand new shiny
adsl modem that for reasons best known to itself threw a wobbly when it
saw how our system transmitted data. From (very bad) memory I think we
had to suggest they change the packet size (I forget the packet type - I
resigned due to stress and my memory of work days is shoddy at best :))

Kind regards,

Julian
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281091 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 17:59
CeltiKaos  
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:55:12 +0000, Aggie Angst wrote:

>> My husband says he fixes people's computers by removing Norton :P
>
> My friend was having lots of problems with her computer and while I'm not
> a computer wiz, I got it running again by taking the pre-installed Norton
> products off. McAfee is not much better.
>
> Aggie

Both comments I can completely agree with. In my old job (ISP Tech
Support) every time Norton "fixed" their products and brought out an
update we got flooded with callers who could no longer get their email.

Our fix? Take off Norton.

Julian
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281097 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 18:30
exquisite witch peach  
Aggie Angst wrote:
> "peachy ashie passion" <exquisitepeach [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:F34ig.8655$PY6.8167 [at] trnddc05...
>
>>Aggie Angst wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Rgemini" <royOMIT.ayresCAPITAL [at] dsl.LETTERSpipex.com> wrote in message
>>>news:O9KdnW1iSuCBNBXZRVnyhw [at] pipex.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Torak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Richard Bos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if I
>>>>>didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton licence...
>>>>>;-)
>>>>
>>>>My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time to
>>>>time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair of
>>>>tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear out.
>>>>
>>>>You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you can
>>>>use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus package.
>>>>There are other examples of both types of product.
>>>>
>>>>Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.
>>>>
>>>>regards
>>>>Rgemini
>>>
>>>
>>>I had Zone Alarm and AVG on my old computer and was very happy with both.
>>>The new puter came with PC-cillin on it and seems to be working fine.
>>>All Zone Alarm ever asked of me was to read an occaisonal email when they
>>>tried to sell me something.
>>>:)
>>>Aggie
>>
>> You know, I tried to switch to AVG, but I never could make it compatible
>>with my email. When it was turned on, I couldn't connect with my mail
>>server.
>
>
> If I still had AVG in front of me, I'd be happy to try and help though I
> often think just because I'm willing to help doesn't mean I'm able. ;) Was
> it long ago you tried this? Maybe they have an updated version. The only
> other thing I can think of off-hand is that you possibly didn't fill in all
> the little blanks like the one that asks for your password on connection?
> Too bad you can't work it out. It really is a worthwhile service.
>
> Aggie
>
>

I had the free version running for nearly a year before I ran into
problems with it. An Windows update came in, and everything else worked
fine, but my AVG could no longer protect my mail. I tried reinstalling,
hoping that would help, but to no avail. Since I was running Norton at
the same time, I just shut the AVG mail function down and ignored it.

When my Norton license ran out, I didn't want to pay for it again,
and wanted to switch to something else. I uninstalled AVG and
downloaded the new version. That didn't work.

I tried the paid version for their free trial of 30 days in hopes
that it would fix it - and then tried tech support, which you get along
with your 30 day trial. I sent with my info, got an immediate response
asking me for my info because I hadn't let the AVG send automatically
(because that was the problem, no email!) and then no response again, ever.

My 30 day trial ran out about two weeks ago, so I took it off, and
have been looking for something else.

I would think that yes, the part where you fill in a password on
connection would do the trick, but I never saw one. A password is
precisely the problem.

Maybe it's worth trying again.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281104 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 19:20
Torak  
Steve Rogers wrote:
> "CeltiKaos" <lists [at] pratchett.removethatbit.kaotic.co.uk> wrote in
>>
>>I use Zone Alarm Pro (home network), AVG (free version), WinPatrol,
>>Registry Mechanic, Ewido and Spyware S&D. [1]
>
> Hah I see your list and raise you to overkill:
>
> ZoneAlarm Security Suite, AVG, SpyBot S&D, Adaware SE personal edition,
> Pest Patrol, Spyware Doctor, Spyware Guard, Avorax, Treewalk DNS, The
> Promoxitron, Mailwasher Pro, Script Defender, Assasin, MS Anitspyware
> (okay but intrusive at times as still only the beta), Spyware Blaster,
> InstallSpy, RootKit Hool Analyser, HiJack This, MS Shared Computer
> Toolkit (well worth having), HostMan, SpoofStick, Harden-It, Start-Up
> Mechanic, Registry Mechanic, Phishguard plus a number of others that I
> can't be bothered to look up as I've to be out the door in a few.

I've got a typewriter.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281105 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 19:21
Torak  
CeltiKaos wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:09:18 +0100, Steve Rogers wrote:
>
>
>>Mailwasher Pro
>
>
> I stopped using mailwasher Pro after;
>
> 1. Someone pointed out that if you letit bounce mail for you, the bounces
> are noted as coming from *your IP* and not tat of a recognised MX, and so
> it's logged by spammers as successful delivery. Quite the opposite of
> what you want!
>
> 2. I now use Thunderbird which has quite tasty mail filtering anf Junk
> Mail recognition.

The thing I find annoying about Mozilla - or at least the Firefox half -
is that it gets so incredibly memory-hungry. Two hours of browsing and
it's chewing up a couple of hundred megs of memory, and won't clear it
out without closing and restarting (the browser, not the OS). But other
than that, it's the best browser I've used so far.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281110 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 19:34
Cathy Young  
Torak wrote:

> The thing I find annoying about Mozilla - or at least the Firefox half -
> is that it gets so incredibly memory-hungry. Two hours of browsing and
> it's chewing up a couple of hundred megs of memory, and won't clear it
> out without closing and restarting (the browser, not the OS). But other
> than that, it's the best browser I've used so far.

1. A memory leak that big is a pretty major flaw. (Oops, I forgot -
it's not a bug, it's a feature:
<http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/009749.html>)

2. You haven't tried Opera then? :-)

--
Cathy
http://www.bentbacktulips.co.uk/
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281125 ] Fr, 09 Juni 2006 20:00
Torak  
Cathy Young wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
>
>>The thing I find annoying about Mozilla - or at least the Firefox half -
>>is that it gets so incredibly memory-hungry. Two hours of browsing and
>>it's chewing up a couple of hundred megs of memory, and won't clear it
>>out without closing and restarting (the browser, not the OS). But other
>>than that, it's the best browser I've used so far.
>
>
> 1. A memory leak that big is a pretty major flaw. (Oops, I forgot -
> it's not a bug, it's a feature:
> <http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/ben/archives/009749.html>)
>
> 2. You haven't tried Opera then? :-)

Yeah, I like Opera. But I like Firefox more. Apart from anything else, I
prefer its parsing of CSS, even though Opera is more CSS 3-compliant.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281190 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 00:00
Arthur Hagen  
Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The thing I find annoying about Mozilla - or at least the Firefox
> half - is that it gets so incredibly memory-hungry. Two hours of
> browsing and it's chewing up a couple of hundred megs of memory, and
> won't clear it out without closing and restarting (the browser, not
> the OS). But other than that, it's the best browser I've used so far.

Revert to Mozilla 1.7.13, and your problem is gone. And Mozilla 1.7 is also
a *heck* of a lot faster at drawing pages than Firefox 1.5.

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281192 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 00:22
Aggie Angst  
"peachy ashie passion" <exquisitepeach [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:umhig.392$Bj6.131 [at] trnddc08...
> Aggie Angst wrote:
>> "peachy ashie passion" <exquisitepeach [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:F34ig.8655$PY6.8167 [at] trnddc05...
>>
>>>Aggie Angst wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Rgemini" <royOMIT.ayresCAPITAL [at] dsl.LETTERSpipex.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:O9KdnW1iSuCBNBXZRVnyhw [at] pipex.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Torak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Richard Bos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Scratch that, _really_ get a real firewall, ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah... I would, if I had the time. And funds. And disk space. And if
>>>>>>I didn't have several non-refundable months left on my Norton
>>>>>>licence... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>My advice is to forget the Norton licence. We all buy things from time
>>>>>to time that we regret. Just because you paid good money for eg a pair
>>>>>of tartan flares doesn't mean you have to wear them until they wear
>>>>>out.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can get ZoneAlarm for free as a firewall, or if you use WinXP you
>>>>>can use its firewall. You can get AVG for free as an anti-virus
>>>>>package. There are other examples of both types of product.
>>>>>
>>>>>Neither are particularly greedy for disk space.
>>>>>
>>>>>regards
>>>>>Rgemini
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I had Zone Alarm and AVG on my old computer and was very happy with
>>>>both. The new puter came with PC-cillin on it and seems to be working
>>>>fine. All Zone Alarm ever asked of me was to read an occaisonal email
>>>>when they tried to sell me something.
>>>>:)
>>>>Aggie
>>>
>>> You know, I tried to switch to AVG, but I never could make it
>>> compatible with my email. When it was turned on, I couldn't connect
>>> with my mail server.
>>
>>
>> If I still had AVG in front of me, I'd be happy to try and help though I
>> often think just because I'm willing to help doesn't mean I'm able. ;)
>> Was it long ago you tried this? Maybe they have an updated version. The
>> only other thing I can think of off-hand is that you possibly didn't fill
>> in all the little blanks like the one that asks for your password on
>> connection? Too bad you can't work it out. It really is a worthwhile
>> service.
>>
>> Aggie
>>
>>
>
> I had the free version running for nearly a year before I ran into
> problems with it. An Windows update came in, and everything else worked
> fine, but my AVG could no longer protect my mail. I tried reinstalling,
> hoping that would help, but to no avail. Since I was running Norton at
> the same time, I just shut the AVG mail function down and ignored it.
>
> When my Norton license ran out, I didn't want to pay for it again, and
> wanted to switch to something else. I uninstalled AVG and downloaded the
> new version. That didn't work.
>
> I tried the paid version for their free trial of 30 days in hopes that
> it would fix it - and then tried tech support, which you get along with
> your 30 day trial. I sent with my info, got an immediate response asking
> me for my info because I hadn't let the AVG send automatically (because
> that was the problem, no email!) and then no response again, ever.
>
> My 30 day trial ran out about two weeks ago, so I took it off, and have
> been looking for something else.
>
> I would think that yes, the part where you fill in a password on
> connection would do the trick, but I never saw one. A password is
> precisely the problem.
>
> Maybe it's worth trying again.

Properties
Accounts
Server - this *might* be where you needed your pword, but probably not.
I seem to remember that AVG changed the path under Server and I had to go
back and manually put in my incoming\outgoing mail address
(pop.whatever.mail) to correct it.

Aggie
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281233 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 01:58
CeltiKaos  
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:34:45 -0700, Cathy Young wrote:

> 1. A memory leak that big is a pretty major flaw. (Oops, I forgot - it's
> not a bug, it's a feature:

Oooh ooooh.. memory leak.. did someone say Windows? ;)
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281236 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 02:03
alec  
In article <pan.2006.06.09.23.58.06.855997
[at] pratchett.removethatbit.kaotic.co.uk>,
lists [at] pratchett.removethatbit.kaotic.co.uk says...
> On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:34:45 -0700, Cathy Young wrote:
>
> > 1. A memory leak that big is a pretty major flaw. (Oops, I forgot - it's
> > not a bug, it's a feature:
>
> Oooh ooooh.. memory leak.. did someone say Windows? ;)

Not necessarily - Firefox is platform independent (allegedly). Just C
with inadequate cleanup when Javascript etc. do not clean up properly
behind themselves. If you have a plug-in platform, good housekeeping is
*very* difficult unless you whole architecture has a uniform GC model.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281280 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 12:11
raltbos  
Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> Steve Rogers wrote:
> > "CeltiKaos" <lists [at] pratchett.removethatbit.kaotic.co.uk> wrote in
> >>
> >>I use Zone Alarm Pro (home network), AVG (free version), WinPatrol,
> >>Registry Mechanic, Ewido and Spyware S&D. [1]
> >
> > Hah I see your list and raise you to overkill:
> >
> > ZoneAlarm Security Suite, AVG, SpyBot S&D, Adaware SE personal edition,
> > Pest Patrol, Spyware Doctor, Spyware Guard, Avorax, Treewalk DNS, The
> > Promoxitron, Mailwasher Pro, Script Defender, Assasin, MS Anitspyware
> > (okay but intrusive at times as still only the beta), Spyware Blaster,
> > InstallSpy, RootKit Hool Analyser, HiJack This, MS Shared Computer
> > Toolkit (well worth having), HostMan, SpoofStick, Harden-It, Start-Up
> > Mechanic, Registry Mechanic, Phishguard plus a number of others that I
> > can't be bothered to look up as I've to be out the door in a few.
>
> I've got a typewriter.

I don't, any more. Sold it. But I have a fountain pen.

Richard
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281283 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 12:27
Rgemini  
>> Steve Rogers wrote:

>>> Hah I see your list and raise you to overkill:
>>>
>>> ZoneAlarm Security Suite, AVG, SpyBot S&D, Adaware SE personal edition,
>>> Pest Patrol, Spyware Doctor, Spyware Guard, Avorax, Treewalk DNS, The
>>> Promoxitron, Mailwasher Pro, Script Defender, Assasin, MS Anitspyware
>>> (okay but intrusive at times as still only the beta), Spyware Blaster,
>>> InstallSpy, RootKit Hool Analyser, HiJack This, MS Shared Computer
>>> Toolkit (well worth having), HostMan, SpoofStick, Harden-It, Start-Up
>>> Mechanic, Registry Mechanic, Phishguard plus a number of others that I
>>> can't be bothered to look up as I've to be out the door in a few.

> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I've got a typewriter.

Richard Bos wrote:

> I don't, any more. Sold it. But I have a fountain pen.

i'Ve gOt SOmE cRayOnS !!!!!!

Rgemini
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281335 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 18:47
Torak  
Rgemini wrote:
>>> Steve Rogers wrote:
>
>>>> Hah I see your list and raise you to overkill:
>>>>
>>>> ZoneAlarm Security Suite, AVG, SpyBot S&D, Adaware SE personal
>>>> edition, Pest Patrol, Spyware Doctor, Spyware Guard, Avorax,
>>>> Treewalk DNS, The Promoxitron, Mailwasher Pro, Script Defender,
>>>> Assasin, MS Anitspyware (okay but intrusive at times as still only
>>>> the beta), Spyware Blaster, InstallSpy, RootKit Hool Analyser,
>>>> HiJack This, MS Shared Computer Toolkit (well worth having),
>>>> HostMan, SpoofStick, Harden-It, Start-Up Mechanic, Registry
>>>> Mechanic, Phishguard plus a number of others that I can't be
>>>> bothered to look up as I've to be out the door in a few.
>
>> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I've got a typewriter.
>
> Richard Bos wrote:
>
>> I don't, any more. Sold it. But I have a fountain pen.
>
> i'Ve gOt SOmE cRayOnS !!!!!!

I speak.
Re: [I] Bloody hackers [message #281363 ] Sa, 10 Juni 2006 21:44
Hendrik Schober  
Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Rgemini wrote:
> > > > Steve Rogers wrote:
> >
> > > > > Hah I see your list and raise you to overkill:
> > > > >
> > > > > ZoneAlarm Security Suite, AVG, SpyBot S&D, Adaware SE personal
> > > > > edition, Pest Patrol, Spyware Doctor, Spyware Guard, Avorax,
> > > > > Treewalk DNS, The Promoxitron, Mailwasher Pro, Script Defender,
> > > > > Assasin, MS Anitspyware (okay but intrusive at times as still only
> > > > > the beta), Spyware Blaster, InstallSpy, RootKit Hool Analyser,
> > > > > HiJack This, MS Shared Computer Toolkit (well worth having),
> > > > > HostMan, SpoofStick, Harden-It, Start-Up Mechanic, Registry
> > > > > Mechanic, Phishguard plus a number of others that I can't be
> > > > > bothered to look up as I've to be out the door in a few.
> >
> > > Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > I've got a typewriter.
> >
> > Richard Bos wrote:
> >
> > > I don't, any more. Sold it. But I have a fountain pen.
> >
> > i'Ve gOt SOmE cRayOnS !!!!!!
>
> I speak.

Speak, friend, and press Enter.

Schobi

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